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		<title>Comment on Discovering the Zone of Insolvency by Ron Mattocks</title>
		<link>http://nonprofitcfo.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/discovering-the-zone-of-insolvency/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Mattocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you found the book applicable.  Let me know how I can help!</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Greatest Ministries You&#8217;ve Never Heard Of by jimcross</title>
		<link>http://nonprofitcfo.wordpress.com/2007/10/26/the-greatest-ministries-youve-never-heard-of/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>jimcross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments G!  Since this was posted we&#039;ve encountered the same financial challenges that many struggle with today.  We&#039;re grateful that we have many faithful donors that press on with us in spite of the troubles of this world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments G!  Since this was posted we&#8217;ve encountered the same financial challenges that many struggle with today.  We&#8217;re grateful that we have many faithful donors that press on with us in spite of the troubles of this world.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Greatest Ministries You&#8217;ve Never Heard Of by G Keown</title>
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		<dc:creator>G Keown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 04:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim,

Wow! There is allot to ponder here. It seems both of you bring some provoking thought to the table here. 

It is certainly true that God is the provider of all good things (which includes funding). 

Your post has caused me to ponder the tension between the giver and the means in which the giver gives imparts the gift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim,</p>
<p>Wow! There is allot to ponder here. It seems both of you bring some provoking thought to the table here. </p>
<p>It is certainly true that God is the provider of all good things (which includes funding). </p>
<p>Your post has caused me to ponder the tension between the giver and the means in which the giver gives imparts the gift.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Charity Watchdogs Can be a Pain by Measuring Up to the BBB Wise Giving Alliance Standards - Part One &#171; Non-Profit CFO</title>
		<link>http://nonprofitcfo.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/how-charity-watchdogs-can-be-a-pain/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Measuring Up to the BBB Wise Giving Alliance Standards - Part One &#171; Non-Profit CFO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Business Bureau&#8217;s Wise Giving Alliance.  I blogged about it in a post titled &#8221;How Charity Watchdogs Can be a Pain.&#8220;  The ministry I represent, Village Missions, has had some correspondence with the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Business Bureau&#8217;s Wise Giving Alliance.  I blogged about it in a post titled &#8221;How Charity Watchdogs Can be a Pain.&#8220;  The ministry I represent, Village Missions, has had some correspondence with the [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Senator Grassley has No Power for Inquiry? by jpe</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barr doesn&#039;t deny that the committee has the power to compel inquiry, of course - he&#039;s just noting that Grassley can&#039;t exercise that power w/o the democrats&#039; sign off.  And, since Grassley&#039;s credibility and intelligence on the issue of abuses of non-profit statutes are about as sterling you can get in government, it&#039;s a given that the democrats will go along with whatever he suggests.

As for the issue of whether Congress wastes as much of the taxpayers&#039; money as churches: they probably do.  That&#039;s a separate issue, though, and Barr&#039;s letter would be better directed to Waxman&#039;s Government Reform Committee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barr doesn&#8217;t deny that the committee has the power to compel inquiry, of course &#8211; he&#8217;s just noting that Grassley can&#8217;t exercise that power w/o the democrats&#8217; sign off.  And, since Grassley&#8217;s credibility and intelligence on the issue of abuses of non-profit statutes are about as sterling you can get in government, it&#8217;s a given that the democrats will go along with whatever he suggests.</p>
<p>As for the issue of whether Congress wastes as much of the taxpayers&#8217; money as churches: they probably do.  That&#8217;s a separate issue, though, and Barr&#8217;s letter would be better directed to Waxman&#8217;s Government Reform Committee.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are First Amendment Religious Freedoms Going, Going, Gone? by jimcross</title>
		<link>http://nonprofitcfo.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/are-first-amendment-religious-freedoms-going-going-gone/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>jimcross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi JPE:
I really appreciate your excellent contribution.  I would much rather receive an education from you than the Feds!
Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi JPE:<br />
I really appreciate your excellent contribution.  I would much rather receive an education from you than the Feds!<br />
Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are First Amendment Religious Freedoms Going, Going, Gone? by jpe</title>
		<link>http://nonprofitcfo.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/are-first-amendment-religious-freedoms-going-going-gone/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>jpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim.  I&#039;ve looked around your blog quite a bit in the time between commenting and moderation, and it looks like a cool blog.  I&#039;m pleased as punch that you&#039;re as committed to transparency as you are - and to stretch a metaphor, that punch is especially sweet since I used to audit churches&#039; financial statements.

I&#039;m going to break our disagreement into its constituent parts; I think that, once the facts are made clear, we&#039;ll agree some things and disagree on others.  There are two issues that are related to constitutionality: first, as a purely factual matter, there&#039;s nothing unconstitutional about these investigations specifically, and there&#039;s nothing unconstitutional about IRS or Senate oversight generally.  Senate oversight is plenary: there&#039;s virtually nothing that Grassley could do in discharging his oversight duties that could be found unconstitutional as a court.  Similarly, the IRS would have to do a lot to step into unconstitutional terrain.  As a lawyer w/ plenty of experience auditing churches and working w/ their CFOs, I can assure that the IRS isn&#039;t even miles within that point.  They&#039;re - maybe - a light year from that point.  

As a policy matter, I agree that it would be wrong for Grassley to single churches out, and would violate the spirit of the First Amendment if not the letter.  However, he&#039;s been very aggressive w/ non-profits in strikingly even-handed fashion.  He&#039;s gone after museums, conservation groups, supporting organizations, credit bureaus and hospitals - some class of NFP had to be next, so it may as well be churches.

Well, this is getting too long, so I&#039;ll leave it at that.    If we still disagree materially, so be it: smart &amp; reasonable people can disagree about things like this, and it wouldn&#039;t be the first time I&#039;ve been at odds with the CFO of a church!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim.  I&#8217;ve looked around your blog quite a bit in the time between commenting and moderation, and it looks like a cool blog.  I&#8217;m pleased as punch that you&#8217;re as committed to transparency as you are &#8211; and to stretch a metaphor, that punch is especially sweet since I used to audit churches&#8217; financial statements.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to break our disagreement into its constituent parts; I think that, once the facts are made clear, we&#8217;ll agree some things and disagree on others.  There are two issues that are related to constitutionality: first, as a purely factual matter, there&#8217;s nothing unconstitutional about these investigations specifically, and there&#8217;s nothing unconstitutional about IRS or Senate oversight generally.  Senate oversight is plenary: there&#8217;s virtually nothing that Grassley could do in discharging his oversight duties that could be found unconstitutional as a court.  Similarly, the IRS would have to do a lot to step into unconstitutional terrain.  As a lawyer w/ plenty of experience auditing churches and working w/ their CFOs, I can assure that the IRS isn&#8217;t even miles within that point.  They&#8217;re &#8211; maybe &#8211; a light year from that point.  </p>
<p>As a policy matter, I agree that it would be wrong for Grassley to single churches out, and would violate the spirit of the First Amendment if not the letter.  However, he&#8217;s been very aggressive w/ non-profits in strikingly even-handed fashion.  He&#8217;s gone after museums, conservation groups, supporting organizations, credit bureaus and hospitals &#8211; some class of NFP had to be next, so it may as well be churches.</p>
<p>Well, this is getting too long, so I&#8217;ll leave it at that.    If we still disagree materially, so be it: smart &amp; reasonable people can disagree about things like this, and it wouldn&#8217;t be the first time I&#8217;ve been at odds with the CFO of a church!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are First Amendment Religious Freedoms Going, Going, Gone? by jimcross</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimcross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 01:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi JPE:
Thanks for your insight.  I appreciate the clarification, although the role of the Senate Finance Committee seems to be the question of some debate, given Chip Watkin&#039;s comments.

My motivation is not to defend the ministries under scrutiny, but I am concerned that the bad behavior of these few will result in an erosion of church organization&#039;s constitutional rights. There are too many critics out there who want to paint every church with the same brush and characterize every evangelical preacher as Elmer Gantry.  

I am also skeptical of the efficacy of congressional hearings.  They shed more heat than light and are little more than a bully pulpit for politicians who love to hear themselves talk.  

If Grassley really wanted to fix something he could quietly compel Acting Commissioner Stiff and Director Lerner to let the dogs out.

Which do you think would be more intimidating to a televangelist? A close-up on C-Span, or a cadre of Revenue Agents here to seize your hard drives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi JPE:<br />
Thanks for your insight.  I appreciate the clarification, although the role of the Senate Finance Committee seems to be the question of some debate, given Chip Watkin&#8217;s comments.</p>
<p>My motivation is not to defend the ministries under scrutiny, but I am concerned that the bad behavior of these few will result in an erosion of church organization&#8217;s constitutional rights. There are too many critics out there who want to paint every church with the same brush and characterize every evangelical preacher as Elmer Gantry.  </p>
<p>I am also skeptical of the efficacy of congressional hearings.  They shed more heat than light and are little more than a bully pulpit for politicians who love to hear themselves talk.  </p>
<p>If Grassley really wanted to fix something he could quietly compel Acting Commissioner Stiff and Director Lerner to let the dogs out.</p>
<p>Which do you think would be more intimidating to a televangelist? A close-up on C-Span, or a cadre of Revenue Agents here to seize your hard drives?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are First Amendment Religious Freedoms Going, Going, Gone? by jpe</title>
		<link>http://nonprofitcfo.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/are-first-amendment-religious-freedoms-going-going-gone/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>jpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, should&#039;ve added: Grassley isn&#039;t going around the law.  By the express terms of the statute, the limiting provisions of 26 USC 7611 apply only to the Treasury Dpt and its agents, which excludes Grassley&#039;s committee.

The notion that he&#039;s circumventing the law is simply false.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, should&#8217;ve added: Grassley isn&#8217;t going around the law.  By the express terms of the statute, the limiting provisions of 26 USC 7611 apply only to the Treasury Dpt and its agents, which excludes Grassley&#8217;s committee.</p>
<p>The notion that he&#8217;s circumventing the law is simply false.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are First Amendment Religious Freedoms Going, Going, Gone? by jpe</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The EO division of the IRS is highly stressed - there&#039;s no way they have the resources to engage in these audits.

The way NFP stuff seems to work w/ the IRS is that there&#039;s some high-level prodding (either via Grassley or scandal) followed by either change of law/reg or enforcement.  The IRS doesn&#039;t have the resources to regulate &lt;i&gt;ex ante&lt;/i&gt;, so someone else attacks &lt;i&gt;ex post&lt;/i&gt;, and drives the IRS into action.

That said, why does it bother you that Grassley is looking into these organizations?  It doesn&#039;t seem clear to me why you&#039;d defend organizations that clearly have been abusing their exemptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The EO division of the IRS is highly stressed &#8211; there&#8217;s no way they have the resources to engage in these audits.</p>
<p>The way NFP stuff seems to work w/ the IRS is that there&#8217;s some high-level prodding (either via Grassley or scandal) followed by either change of law/reg or enforcement.  The IRS doesn&#8217;t have the resources to regulate <i>ex ante</i>, so someone else attacks <i>ex post</i>, and drives the IRS into action.</p>
<p>That said, why does it bother you that Grassley is looking into these organizations?  It doesn&#8217;t seem clear to me why you&#8217;d defend organizations that clearly have been abusing their exemptions.</p>
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